Hackerspaces compared

Let’s compare two hackerspaces, noisebridge and cyberpipe, i’ve been active in cyberpipe for several years and have been at several events and talked with noisebridge members about their hackerspace.

First some history, cyberpipe has existed for like 8 years now, noisebridge has existed in it’s current space for not even a year, before that members used to meet at peoples houses. They both have similar goals, provide a shelter for hackers, allowing them to learn and have good old geek fashioned fun.

Let’s start the comparison with something cyberpipe really excels at, events. They have up to date exensive video archive of all events (made with OSS stack! well, ignoring proprietary design/firmware on camera ;) ), the lecturers are given mikes, projector and proper-ish lightning. The events in noisebridge on the other hand feel much more ad-hoc and way less professional from organizational point of view.

Now let’s compare a field where noisebridge excels at, the community. The community in cyberpipe feels dead-ish, the events do bring in the activity, but soon after they are gone the activity vanishes as well. Members are mostly not self-initiative and rarely i can meet some random people to whom i can talk about python lambda (or something like that). Noisebridge on the other hand has a very vibrant community around it, people are teaching German, French, Haskell, machine learning, Python and doing whole bunch of hardware hacking (i some kind of cooking classes were supposed to happen). Also their members as opposed to cyberpipe’s are producing a lot of fun toys, like the thing which you put around leg and it vibrates on north or reverse engineered led panel which was hacked to display game of life.

To continue the community comparison, let’s have a closer look at the community itself, cyberpipes members are mostly students, while among the noisebridge members you’ll find quite a lot of high profile folks (google/microsoft employees, OSS core developers, folks running own startups), which is probably the reason for my biggest surprise, noisebridge founds itself from membership dues! That is a level of commitment which i’ve very rarely seen at cyberpipe (tho, as gandalfar points out no one has really asked cyberpipe members to pay money).

Another major difference is the organization, cyberpipe has BDFL (well, without the FL part), which means you have a central point of authority who can decide on whatever, noisebridge on the other hand has democracy (and i mean it!), every paying member has veto so can block a decision. Let’s have a look at how new members get in, first they sign some form with basic info, than 4 weeks have to pass, and at the regular weekly meeting (if the person in question is present) they are sent to get beer or something, than both positive and negative feedback about soon-to-be member is solicited from people present at the meeting and if no member uses a blocking vote the new member is accepted.

This kind of organization gives you a great feeling of freedom, their only rule is “be excellent to each other”. My thoughts on this kind of organization initially were there is no way in hell this can survive the burden of abuses or members conflicting. A lot of people involved like it very much this way (and it certainly appeals to my inner anarchist), so i hope i’m wrong :-)

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  • Cyberpipe certainly doesn't have an up to date video archive. There have been more than a hundred web events taped and most of them are still offline. Lightning is also too strong and in your face, event support is often lacking so from organizational point of view they are far from being professional.

    They are however tremendously well organized when you consider they are volunteer based and free.

    I have my theories why cyberpipe isn't more alive, but since I'm not nearly often enough there to make a well informed comment, I'll keep those opinions to myself.

    By the way, could you please stop torturing commas so much? Unless you are going for Joyce's stream of consciousness and can just drop punctuation altogether ;-)
  • redduck666
    Corrected the video archive thing, also will try to read up on the correct use of commas.

    As for your theories on why cyberpipe isn't more active, i'd love to hear them :-)
  • Very interesting comparison!

    I'd also look at the pool of potential members of both organizations as one reason why the situation is a bit different in Cyberpipe. Oh, do you really feel Cyberpipe has a BD? My feeling is that as long as there is broad consensus about certain decision among everybody, BD has to go along.

    I'd also be interested in Marko's theories, but also in your ideas of what knowledge could be used in Cyberpipe that you learned at noisebridge. (more traveling and seeing what others are doing is obviously the first one to come to mind :)

    bye
    Andraz
  • redduck666
    Cyberpipe indeed has a BD (benevolent dictator). In practice however he doesn't really stop people from doing stuff they like, only rarely tailors the way they do it. Two examples that come to my mind are "before any (physically) big art stuff is done i want to know where it will be stored for next 3 years" or "you won't touch the web page without a plan".


    BTW having a BD lowers the perceived freedom inside the hackerspace, i only realized that after talking to noisebridge members.
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